2006/05/02 00:20:05 CDT by Temporal Edited at 2006/05/02 11:31:56 CDT |
[UPDATE: It has come to my attention that Tim was joking, and it totally flew over my head. Sorry. Full response kept for posterity.]
Tim, I'm sorry, but those links suck. Allow me to rip them apart.
Your first link is attributed to Dow Jones and was printed in the Wall Street Journal. Dow Jones, being a major industrial company that produces copious amounts of CO2, would obviously have an interest in discrediting global warming, and The Wall Street Journal is known to have a heavy conservative bias. Of course, these two facts don't, on their own, automatically make them wrong. What qualifies the article as Grade A Bullshit is the sources, or lack thereof. The only things resembling citations that I can find on that page are the sources for the two graphs. The first graph -- which does not actually contradict global warming, but only shows that solar magnetic cycles also affect temperature -- is attributed to the "Astrophysical Journal", a journal of astronomy, not climatology. I would like to look up the paper which this graph came from to see if it actually had anything to do with global warming (doesn't look like it), but I can't, because the article does not cite the actual paper. The second graph is cited as coming from the "Marshall Institute" which, as it turns out, is a political organization, not a scientific one. This so-called "institute" employs a lobbyist for ExxonMobil as its CEO. I suspect this graph is highly doctored, especially since it contradicts every other graph of temperature over time that I've seen. If these are the best sources the Wall Street Journal can come up with, what does that tell you?
Now, the second article. The NCPA is, again, a policy organization, which says on its own web site that its "goal is to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector.". Based on that alone, what do you expect this organization's stance to be? Of course, again, the fact that they have a stated bias towards one side does not automatically make them wrong, so let's look again at their sources. Oh, what's this? Once again, they have mostly failed to cite any sources. The only citations are the graphs. The first one is attributed to The Washington Times, a newspaper that is well-known for sitting somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun. The second citation is a Gallup Poll. Again, if these are the best sources the NCPA can find, it only makes me more convinced that global warming is real.
Since these articles fail to cite any sources that are both reliable and relevant, I have no reason to believe that their "facts" and numbers are any less fictional that Michael Crichton's book.
If you can find me one recent, peer-reviewed scientific paper which contains evidence that global warming is not real, please do share it.
I'd like to point out that no one has a private interest in enacting anti-emissions legislation. You cannot claim that Democrats are in this for the money.
Added at 2006/05/02 00:58:32 CDT
And to address the rest of your post directly...
That's just offensive. Why would he be lying about this? At worst he's just wrong and misguided. It's only the polluters who have a reason to lie.
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Why did they take core samples from Antarctica? How did they extrapolate the temperature data from so long ago? Is it a reliable process?
Our favorite anti-creationism site has some descriptions and even cites their sources!
I have not seen any claims that these measurements are inaccurate, nor can I find any on Google. Indeed, many anti-global-warming sites, such as this one, seem to cite the Vostok ice core as evidence for their cause (noting the cycles).
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How much impact can we really have?
The large impact we've had on atmospheric CO2 levels is not debated.
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And what are *feasible* solutions?
Enforce the treaty. Put economic pressure on companies who release lots of carbon. They will be forced to switch to cleaner technologies (creating/strengthening the market for said cleaner technologies). It worked with CFCs and it can work with CO2.
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PS: Katrina wouldn't have been that devastating if we had just built stronger dikes in the beginning, and stronger houses. If you keep building your house out of straw, in an area full of strong winds, expect it to get blown down. Houses in hurricane areas should be made of concrete and brick, not wood and sheetrock.
This is obviously all true. However, at the same time, you don't have to be terribly observant to notice the increase in hurricanes lately, nor does it take much to understand that increased temperature = more energy = stronger storms. That said, I suspect they play up the hurricane issue because it's something real that people can easily relate to, whereas the real problems of global warming (increased sea levels, CO2 poisoning sea life, reduction in arable land, etc.) are much harder for the average person to grasp.